Hi,
first of all, sorry if I'm not emailing the correct person. But reading your reply to this topic, I think you can counsel me a little bit.
I'm an international student (I have been here for 1 year) and I have a relative, not yet a US resident, but one who said he can help me create a uISV. He somehow owns his how company, but not a uISV. It's not like I don't trust him, but I don't want to be taken advantage of. I'm a proficient programmer but I know nothing in this matters.
My idea is to re-buy the company from him when I will be capable of doing so.
Do you think it's possible (he lives in Nebraska)? Should I be careful? I mean I don't even know anybody to talk to about this. So I will greatly appreciate your help.
Thanks a lot.
Sorry for the delay in answering your questions. My e-mail tends to stack up until I scratch out enough time in my schedule to respond. Besides, your question was interesting enough I actually starting researching H1Bs, F1s, 1099s, etc., Here is a summary:
Keep in mind, I am not an attorney or CPA, and the standard disclaimer should apply -- you should seek qualified legal opinions (mine isn't). Unfortunately, you might have trouble locating an attorney to help because this isn't a run-of-the-mill immigration issue.
There aren't any easy, common ways to for a person on a non-immigrant visa to start a company in the US. Your relative seems to be violating the terms of his non-immigrant visa, but likely the government will never pursue revoking your relative's visa.
Ok, lets keep going. I will cover three separate topics:
- What the law says (in layman's terms)
- What H1-Bs and F-1s do in reality
- What I would do
What the Law Says
You say you are an international student, so I will make the assumption that you are currently attending a school in the U.S, on F-1 visa. You probably already know:
- Self-employment on F-1 or H1-B is not allowed.
- You cannot start an S-Corporation; All shareholders have to be U.S. citizens or Permanent Residents (green card holders).
- You can invest passively in U.S. enterprises or securities.
- You can start a company such as an LLC (Limited Liability Company), but you can not work for it -- your involvement has to be passive. Ownership of an LLC or any other business presumptively suggests that you have management responsibilities...is working for the company which will put your visa in jeopardy.
- From the standpoint of tax law, there is nothing that prohibits a non-immigrant from operating a sole proprietorship. However, a sole proprietorship operated by an F-1 (or H1-B) visa holder is a gray area, which constitutes unauthorized employment and provide grounds for revocation of F-1 (or H1-B) status. However, in practice, CIS seems to be uninterested in this issue.
You probably already figured this out, which is why you are looking at a relative to help. But if he or she isn't on an immigrant visa (green card holder), they may not be in a better legal position to start the company. More importantly, your relative seems to be openly violating the conditions of his visa.
Interestingly enough, you might be able to work around the situation with a creative lawyer:
... Often the issue is resolved by having a straw person own the shares, or be the member of the LLC, and the alien visa holder having an option to buy. LLCs are so flexible, however, that it may be that a creative attorney can resolve this for you quite easily. (source).
I think this is what your relative is hinting at.
What H1Bs and F1s Really Do
While most people on non-immigrant visas follow the letter of the law, I could not find one case where an F-1 (or H1-B) visa was revoked because of working outside the conditions of their visa. Quite the contrary, I found many postings on the Internet relating to filing tax returns and dealing with W2 and 1099s received from consulting (most were small amounts of income).
Of course, you have to be cautious here. Most of the advice is given out by CPAs (accountants) who have studied tax law, not immigration law. The IRS is only concerned that you file and pay your taxes. They will not report you to the immigration authorities (which is one of the reasons why so many illegal aliens are able to overstay their visas and work for so long without any adverse problems).
Keep in mind, that this would most likely come to haunt you when you applied for residency or H1-B -- and you really, really need to talk to a qualified immigration attorney.
What I Would Do (If I Were in Your Shoes...)
First let me digress for a moment.
You want to start a mISV. I would give you the same advice I would give anyone who wanted to start an mISV -- don't waste the time and effort trying to register a legal entity until you have a product. Work on creating a working product first.
How long is it going to take you to write the software? Six months? A year? Why pay $300-$500 for registering your business up front, having to maintain a bank account, filing tax returns, state tax returns, and don't forget telemarketers who sift through government databases...
Secondly, most mISVs don't make lots of money when they first start to sell a product. When adjusted for the time spent producing, supporting and marketing the product, most mISVs make income that is usually less that minimum wage.
My advice:
If I were you, I would work on the product idea. Get it up to a saleable point and then just sell it directly through a payment service. They will send you a 1099 at the end of the year.
Then, if it looked like the product was going to make a significant amount of money, I would suggest that you then form an LLC with at least one member (U.S. citizen or permanent resident) in addition to yourself and designate the other member as managing member ( so you will simply be a passive investor ). Then you can elect to pay taxes as a partnership and have partnership's profits and losses flow to you.
On the other hand, if you do decide to partner with your relative, I would definitely seek legal advice. I would only proceed if the the contracts were iron-clad and addressed who has ownership of the product, source code, etc.,
In any event, good luck with your venture.
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